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THE BEGINNING OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION dates back to Jereboam Recorded in Jeremiah 44. - 450B.C. click here to see "MOVIE Christians were deceived" 1hr.30min. wait for it to load How did the Christian Religion start? Who were the first initiator's of the Christian religion that we know today? Many theologians will make claims that it was the Disciples of Christ as depicted in the New Testament, BUT THERE'S NO PROOF as there is NO original manuscripts of these Books or original Gospels, but in any case, is this a true source? Many other Theologians will argue that it was the "Fathers of the Church" known as ORIGEN and CLEMENT.? SO LETS TAKE A LOOK INTO THE "HISTORICAL FACTS AS GIVEN BY THE UNIVERSITIES AND USING THE HISTORICAL RECORDS RATHER THAN BOOKS JUST WRITTEN BY CHRISTIAN AUTHORS. There's litterly Millions of reference material articles on the Internet, and the pro-Christian camp will swamp you with many articles that they will claim to be the "facts" - Below we have prepared some interesting statements from the Catholic Church by the so-called "Father" of the Christian Church, WHY? Because they claim to have been the initiators, and many argue, that they have the "original manuscripts of the "Gospels" BUT if they do have the original manuscripts, we must ask the question; WHY is it, over the last hundred years they wont make available these original manuscripts so the forensic historians can examine them for authenticity. Could it be because they have articles that they know would be exposed as "forgeries"? AND 100% Pagan origin. The pro religious disciples of ALL religions will assert that you MUST HAVE FAITH, as if by having a high level of FAITH one doesn't need to worry too much about the facts of what one is supposed to believe in. The reference material selected below is aimed at assisting the student to dig into the "FACTS and then make a level headed well informed conclusion, particularly use the links to more material. There's no question that the Christian religion came accross from Paganism, but what's more grave to those who would like to worship the "Living Creator God" of the Old Testament, is that it can be tracked conclusively that the Jews had through "Philo" became totally immersed into a blend of Judaism and Paganism, and in many tenets, still hold to many Pagan rituals today although the Jews have now reclaimed the use of the Hebrew language, and returned to the Torah to practice Judaism. |
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WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT ORIGEN? Here's some points to consider with links. text from iep.utm.edu/o/origen.htmWhere did Origen come from?"Origen of Alexandria is considered one of the greatest of all Christian theologians. As a philosopher, he is famous for composing the seminal work of Christian Neoplatonism, his treatise On First Principles. Origen lived through a turbulent period of the Christian Church," Who started the " "TRINITY DOCTRINE" with the "HOLY SPIRIT"? (More)"Since the purpose of this article is to introduce students and interested laypersons to the philosophy of Origen, it will be necessary to focus mainly on the treatise On First Principles, which is the most systematic and philosophical of Origen's numerous writings. In this work Origen establishes his main doctrines, including that of the Holy Trinity (based upon standard Middle Platonic triadic emanation schemas)" WHAT DOES PLATO OR SOCRATES HAVE TO DO WITH THE CREATOR GOD OF THE BIBLE?Origen begins his treatise On First Principles by establishing, in typical Platonic fashion, a divine hierarchical triad; but instead of calling these principles by typical Platonic terms like monad, dyad, and world-soul, he calls them "Father," "Christ," and "Holy Spirit," though he does describe these principles using Platonic language. The first of these principles, the Father, is a perfect unity, complete unto Himself, and without body - a purely spiritual mind. Since God the Father is, for Origen, "personal and active," it follows that there existed with Him, always, an entity upon which to exercise His intellectual activity. This entity is Christ the Son, the Logos, or Wisdom (Sophia), of God, the first emanation of the Father, corresponding to Numenius' "second god," as we have seen above (section 2). The third and last principle of the divine triad is the Holy Spirit, who "proceeds from the Son and is related to Him as the Son is related to the Father" (A. Tripolitis 1978, p. 94). Here is Origen explaining the status of the Holy Spirit, in a passage preserved in the original Greek: Origen did not believe in the eternal suffering of sinners in hell. For him, all souls, including the devil himself, will eventually achieve salvation, Origen was an innovator in an era when innovation, for Christians, was a luxury ill-afforded. He drew upon pagan philosophy in an effort to elucidate the Christian faith in a manner acceptable to intellectuals, and he succeeded in converting many gifted pagan students of philosophy to his new faith. In this, he is an heir to Socrates and Plato, but he also brought a new conception into philosophy WHAT'S THE IDOL ZEUS GOT TO DO WITH THE GOD OF THE BIBLE?Another extremely important part of Origen's intellectual heritage is the concept of apokatastasis or "restoration of all things." This term first appears, as a philosophical concept, in the writings of the Stoics, whose materialistic pantheism led them to identify Zeus with the pure, "craftsmanly" fire pervading and constituting the cosmos. According to the Stoics, this fire expands and contracts according to a fixed cycle. They called the contraction a "conflagration" (ekpurôsis), destroying the cosmos, yet only temporarily. This contraction was described as Zeus returning to his own thoughts, to contemplate the eternal perfection of his mind/cosmos (the material cosmos being the expression of his mind, or Logos). The expansion would occur when Zeus once again expressed his mind in the creation of the material cosmos; this re-creation or reconstitution of the cosmos is what the Stoics called apokatastasis. Some Stoics argued that since Zeus is perfect mind, then every reconstitution of the cosmos will resemble identically the one that preceded it. This Stoic doctrine was to have an immense influence on the development of the so-called esoteric traditions in the Hellenistic era, notably the Hermetic school, Gnosticism, and astrology, with all of which Origen was, in varying degrees, familiar. In Origen's time, Christianity as a religion had not yet developed.................. Since there were no non-Gnostic Christian theological systems in his day, it was up to Origen to formulate one. Origen's debt to Hellenistic (Greek) philosophy is quite obvious; his influence on the development of later pagan philosophy is - at least from the perspective of most contemporary scholarship - rather less obvious, but it is there. His trinitarian doctrine, for example, consisted of a gradation of influence beginning with the Father, whose influence was of the most general, universal kind, binding together all things; the influence of the Son extended strictly to sentient beings; the Holy Spirit's influence extended only to the 'elect' or saints who had already achieved salvation. (Doctrines from ancient Babylonian Sun God Systems) (to offer your comments click here >> Discussion Forum ) |
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA? (TITUS FLAVIUS CLEMENS) Text from newadvent.org/cathen/04045a.htmDate of birth unknown; died about the year 215. St. Clement was an early Greek theologian and head of the catechetical school of Alexandria. Athens is given as the starting-point of his journeyings, and was probably his birthplace. He became a convert to the Faith and travelled from place to place in search of higher instruction, attaching himself successively to different masters: to a Greek of Ionia, to another of Magna Graecia, to a third of Coele-Syria, after all of whom he addressed himself in turn to an Egyptian, an Assyrian, and a converted Palestinian Jew. At last he met Pantaenus in Alexandria, and in his teaching "found rest".................Plato was the most favoured of the old masters. Neo-Platonism, the philosophy of the new pagan renaissance, had a prophet at Alexandria in the person of Ammonius Saccas. The Jews, too, who were there in very large numbers breathed its liberal atmosphere, and had assimilated secular culture. They there formed the most enlightened colony of the Dispersion. Having lost the use of Hebrew, they found it necessary to translate the Scriptures into the more familiar Greek. Philo, their foremost thinker, became a sort of Jewish Plato. (Philo of Alexandria or Philo Judaeus(ca. 20 BCE - ca 40 CE), the famous Jewish philosopher and theologian.)..Philo’s thought as seen from the perspective of the interaction between Greek and Jewish ideas ................It is particularly striking how quickly Greek became the primary language of the Alexandrian Jewish community. From the second century B.C. onwards there were probably few Jews there who could still speak or read Hebrew. That Philo himself had no knowledge of Hebrew is almost certain. It was therefore an event of enormous importance for the Jewish community in Alexandria that the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek. In the so-called Letter of Aristeas3 and in one of Philo’s writings we read an account of how King Ptolemy Philadephus, who reigned from 283 to 246, invited the High Priest in Jerusalem to send a delegation of wise men who could translate the Jewish Law ---- Philo’s
knowledge of Greek philosophy, and particularly of Platonism and Stoicism,
is by no means superficial. But the purposes for which he used this knowledge
were quite different than those of other philosophers and scholars of
his day. This has to do with his Jewish background. The OTHER Father of the Church is known asEusebius Pamphili, Bishop of Cæsarea in Palestine,A. D. 260 (text from newadvent.org/cathen/05617b.htm)Eusebius was drawn up as a formula to be subscribed by all the bishops. It was they who were to say that it embodied what they had been taught as catechumens and had taught as priests and bishops...............He then recounts how, at Rome, Pope Dionysius (259-268) succeeded Xystus, and about the same time Paul of Samosata became Bishop of Antioch....... Too humble to write anything himself, he spent his time in preparing accurate copies of the Scriptures and other books, especially those of Origen. ........At the opening of the Council of Nicæa Eusebius occupied the first seat on the right of the emperor.........On the Martyrs of Palestine. There are two distinct forms of this work, both drawn up by Eusebius. The longer is only extant in a Syriac version which was first edited and translated by Cureton in 1861. Summary- Why is the Christian Church today following doctrines from the Catholic Church, and Philosophy from Philo, Plato, Socrates, Greek Thought, Origen, Clement,a Eusubius nd Zeus, all of which were steeped in the pagan religions of the times.?Why are the Jewish orthodoxy still following the "pagan religious" dress with Yarmulkas, and phylacteries?Is this not just another form of Pagan worship?Is not the worship of another G-d a second god and the tenets of the Trinity in complete contradiction to the first 4 Commandments of Exodus 20.?This first 1200 years are referred to as the "Dark Ages" It is a time when no public person in villages were able to read or write unless they were educated by the Monks. It is a time when no-one would have been given any instruction on the Torah from which the Pagan/Christian/Judaism blend originated, and it is a time when no one would have been in an informed position to challenge the Catholic Church's pagan doctrines. |
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